Performance Chat Summary: 14 March 2023

<div style&equals;"text-align&colon;center"><&sol;div><div>&NewLine;<p><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;core&sol;2023&sol;03&sol;14&sol;performance-chat-agenda-14-march-2023&sol;">Meeting agenda here<&sol;a> and the full chat log is available <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;wordpress&period;slack&period;com&sol;archives&sol;C02KGN5K076&sol;p1678809563421879">beginning here on Slack<&sol;a>&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;<h2 class&equals;"wp-block-heading">Announcements<&sol;h2>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li>As agreed in last weeks chat&comma; this week we are following the new agenda structure below that is more aligned with our <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;performance&sol;roadmap-2023&sol;">2023 roadmap<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li>During each priority project update&comma; we will aim to tag the individuals who contributed suggestions for that priority project in the 2023 roadmap&comma; to get any updates on progress<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h2 class&equals;"wp-block-heading" id&equals;"focus-group-updates">Priority Projects<&sol;h2>&NewLine;<h3 class&equals;"wp-block-heading" id&equals;"images">Server Response Time<&sol;h3>&NewLine;<p><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;performance&sol;roadmap-2023&sol;&num;category-server-response-time">Link to roadmap projects<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<p>Contributors&colon; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;aristath&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>aristath<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> Following a week of recovery from a bike accident&comma; I’ve resumed working on gathering some profiling data on the most recent release candidate&period; I’m hoping to wrap up that work this week and have some new ideas to focus on for the 6&period;3 cycle<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> committed&colon;&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;2724a495afb2f7c60d4b2c6b9158c4c82973fb58" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;2724a495afb2f7c60d4b2c6b9158c4c82973fb58<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" data-hasqtip&equals;"215" aria-describedby&equals;"qtip-215" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;befb493339512a862a61c16a8a92b5745ee6a109" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;befb493339512a862a61c16a8a92b5745ee6a109<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;4af22e53d71c23403de49479c2dfe31dd0ba0c05" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;4af22e53d71c23403de49479c2dfe31dd0ba0c05<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;82cd43419448c343cc3df41f6e37c6185e480038" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;82cd43419448c343cc3df41f6e37c6185e480038<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;c421c7ead6c72ebb448c7a21f6bef3acfaab6a92" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;c421c7ead6c72ebb448c7a21f6bef3acfaab6a92<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;dbbc9bcf98787fd77fd920df84cc9bbc69974b0a" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;dbbc9bcf98787fd77fd920df84cc9bbc69974b0a<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> requested code reviews&colon;&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li>Fixes an issue with bootstrapping scripts in widgets slowing down bootstrap<br &sol;><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;pull&sol;4170" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;pull&sol;4170<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li>Improves Query and use of date functions&period;<br &sol;><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;pull&sol;4230" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;pull&sol;4230<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li>Tracking a performance regression in 6&period;2 RC<br &sol;><a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;pull&sol;4235" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;pull&sol;4235<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> also working on <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;core&period;trac&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;ticket&sol;57814" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;core&period;trac&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;ticket&sol;57814<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h3 class&equals;"wp-block-heading" id&equals;"images">Database Optimization<&sol;h3>&NewLine;<p><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;performance&sol;roadmap-2023&sol;&num;category-database-optimization">Link to roadmap projects<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<p>Contributors&colon; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;aristath&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>aristath<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;olliejones&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>olliejones<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;rjasdfiii&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>rjasdfiii<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;olliejones&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>olliejones<&sol;a> Work on the SQLite database integration continues&period; Lots of tiny details transliterating one irregular SQL grammar to another&period; Nothing big to report&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h3 class&equals;"wp-block-heading" id&equals;"object-caching">JavaScript &&num;038&semi; CSS<&sol;h3>&NewLine;<p><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;performance&sol;roadmap-2023&sol;&num;category-javascript-css">Link to roadmap projects<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<p>Contributors&colon; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;mukesh27&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>mukesh27<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;10upsimon&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>10upsimon<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;adamsilverstein&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>adamsilverstein<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;10upsimon&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>10upsimon<&sol;a> We’re making progress on some of the final implementation details related to handling inline scripts&comma; and doing some internal testing and research into how other projects are already implementing async&sol;defer to look for possible conflicts&period; We should have something to share in a couple of weeks&period; In the meantime&comma; we’d appreciate any examples you have of projects that are manually adding async&sol;defer&comma; so we can check them against our approach&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h3 class&equals;"wp-block-heading" id&equals;"measurement">Images<&sol;h3>&NewLine;<p><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;performance&sol;roadmap-2023&sol;&num;category-images">Link to roadmap projects<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<p>Contributors&colon; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;thekt12&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>thekt12<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;adamsilverstein&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>adamsilverstein<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> I have been researching remaining problems with lazy-loaded LCP images in WordPress sites in the last week&comma; will continue to do so today&period; I’m using HTTP Archive to identify the most common problems and look at specific sites for samples to dig further<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> Noting that the enhancements that will hopefully come out of this work will benefit the <code>fetchpriority&equals;"high"<&sol;code> work as well<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;adamsilverstein&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>adamsilverstein<&sol;a> quick update from me&colon; at WordCamp Asia a few weeks ago&comma; I ran an &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;image comparison game” where users picked from two images &lpar;generated in WordPress at different compression levels and in WebP or JPEG&rpar; trying to tell which one was closer to the original&period; we had around 50 &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;choices” registered which isn’t much&comma; but in any case I’m planning to analyze that data this week and should have some sort of results to share next week&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h3 class&equals;"wp-block-heading" id&equals;"javascript">Measurement<&sol;h3>&NewLine;<p><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;performance&sol;roadmap-2023&sol;&num;category-measurement">Link to roadmap projects<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<p>Contributors&colon; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;adamsilverstein&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>adamsilverstein<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;olliejones&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>olliejones<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;mukesh27&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>mukesh27<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;clarkeemily&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>clarkeemily<&sol;a> we did have &OpenCurlyQuote;Automated performance testing has been committed to the WP core repo <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;core&period;trac&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;changeset&sol;55459" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;core&period;trac&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;changeset&sol;55459<&sol;a>&OpenCurlyQuote; highlighted last week<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> We’re successfully getting automated performance data on every commit to core now&comma; which is a cool milestone&period; I expect that we’ll continue to improve those capabilities over time&comma; but this is a nice starting point&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h3 class&equals;"wp-block-heading">Ecosystem Tools<&sol;h3>&NewLine;<p><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;performance&sol;roadmap-2023&sol;&num;category-ecosystem-tools">Link to roadmap projects<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<p>Contributors&colon; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joegrainger&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joegrainger<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joegrainger&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joegrainger<&sol;a> We plan to complete the infrastructure for the Plugin Checker by the end of next week&period; Once complete we will start to perform some initial testing and review the infrastructure before working on the additional checks&period; Progress can be seen on the <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;10up&sol;plugin-check&sol;" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">GitHub repo<&sol;a> here&period; Please feel free to take a look and leave any thoughts&sol;ideas you may have in the repo&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h3 class&equals;"wp-block-heading" id&equals;"infrastructure">Creating Standalone Plugins<&sol;h3>&NewLine;<p><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;performance&sol;issues&sol;656">Link to GitHub overview issue<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<p>Contributors&colon; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;mukesh27&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>mukesh27<&sol;a> <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;10upsimon&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>10upsimon<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;mukesh27&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>mukesh27<&sol;a> and <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;10upsimon&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>10upsimon<&sol;a> are working on <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;performance&sol;issues&sol;656" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">Milestone 1<&sol;a> tasks for Creating standalone plugins&comma; and we are on track to complete engineering by the end of this week or early next week&period; If anyone has some time&comma; then review PRs at <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;performance&sol;pulls&quest;q&equals;is&percnt;3Apr&plus;is&percnt;3Aopen&plus;label&percnt;3A&percnt;22Creating&plus;standalone&plus;plugins&percnt;22" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;performance&sol;pulls&quest;q&equals;is&percnt;3Apr&plus;is&percnt;3Aopen&plus;label&percnt;3A&percnt;22Creating&plus;standalone&plus;plugins&percnt;22<&sol;a> and share the feedback&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> I have been reviewing some of the existing PRs in Milestone 1 and will work on a PR for <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;performance&sol;issues&sol;667" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;performance&sol;issues&sol;667<&sol;a> today<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h2 class&equals;"wp-block-heading" id&equals;"infrastructure">New Projects &sol; Proposals<&sol;h2>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li>n&sol;a<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<h1 class&equals;"wp-block-heading">Open Floor<&sol;h1>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> Can we talk about this – &OpenCurlyQuote;<strong>Explore and assess 6&period;2 server-side performance regressions<&sol;strong>&OpenCurlyQuote; <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;core&period;trac&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;ticket&sol;57916" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;core&period;trac&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;ticket&sol;57916<&sol;a>&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> Happy to answer any questions on the data I gathered<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> Doing some research&comma; realpath seems to be taking up a lot of resources<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> Is the <code>realpath&lpar;&rpar;<&sol;code> usage something that was introduced in 6&period;2&quest;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> No&comma; but I think it has been made worse&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> After thinking about the original issue some more&comma; I’m wondering if what <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> observed is mainly a side-effect of things being moved around in the application lifecycle&comma; which means that there are more callbacks firing on init&comma; but overall the total response time is still an improvement over 6&period;1&period;X&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> The overall total response time for classic themes is now actually worse in 6&period;2 than 6&period;1<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> That’s not what I’m seeing in our automated tests though&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> It might be related to this – <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;6d0a691b84d411813378f1983a0a87bf78a1ccad" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;commit&sol;6d0a691b84d411813378f1983a0a87bf78a1ccad<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> Yeah I also didn’t see that in my previous tests&period; However what I have consistently seen is <code>init<&sol;code> being slower than in 6&period;1<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> FWIW&comma; the automated tests are running core <code>trunk<&sol;code> &period; The tests I have been conducting are using built ZIP releases of the Betas and RCs&period; Not sure how relevant that is&comma; but it may make a difference<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> Even in <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;actions&sol;runs&sol;4418025098&sol;jobs&sol;7744568132" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">the latest run<&sol;a>&comma; 6&period;2 seems like an improvement&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> The ZIP files are in principle closer to the real world experience&comma; that’s why I’ve been using them in addition to the development repository<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> my test runs <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;wordpress&period;slack&period;com&sol;archives&sol;C02KGN5K076&sol;p1678812130246649">Slack thread<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> Zips should be built from the build folder&comma; which is what the automated tests are testing<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> request for <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> or <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> to run the comparison between 6&period;1&period;1 production ZIP and 6&period;2-RC1 ZIP on your machines&quest; Just to validate&comma; maybe something is off on my environment<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> Happy to double check using local profiling at the beta tester plugin later today&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> I might try using Local envoirment and other tools and see if i can reproduce<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;johnbillion&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>johnbillion<&sol;a> Are all these tests using the theme unit test data&quest;&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> I use Fakerpress to make mock data<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> The automated tests are&period; Not sure about how others are testing&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> Good call <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;johnbillion&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>johnbillion<&sol;a> My own local performance testing I’ve done only with the regular WP content &lpar;&OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;Hello world”&rpar;&comma; nothing added&period; I know that’s not representative of real-world experience&comma; but <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> and <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> please try to use that too for specifically the attempt to validate what I’m seeing on my end<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> If other folks can do A&sol;B comparisons of the total response time for WP 6&period;1&period;1 vs 6&period;2-RC1 and share data on that issue&comma; it could certainly help&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> Fakerpress is great for generating posts from multiple authors&comma; adds comments&comma; terms and users&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> So to summarize&comma; just to reproduce&comma; I’m seeing the regression locally in this environment&colon;&NewLine;<ul>&NewLine;<li>between 6&period;1&period;1 and 6&period;2-RC1<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li>a site with LocalWP<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li>using TT1 theme<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li>using Performance Lab plugin for Server-Timing&comma; with no modules enabled<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li>no content on the site other than what a clean WP core install gives you<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li>Also see <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;docs&period;google&period;com&sol;spreadsheets&sol;d&sol;1LroIJoYz-O9CpfJzaiKYYMWJ7GbE5RZoW1rf1R4FqyA&sol;edit&num;gid&equals;1935935734" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">this sheet<&sol;a> for more details&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;johnbillion&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>johnbillion<&sol;a> Are you able to test again with the theme unit test data Felix&quest; That way we have a somewhat unified set of data that’s in use for the tests<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> I certainly can&period; That said though&comma; we also would still need to validate why I see a regression with the default content&comma; so I would appreciate if someone else could run that on their end<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;codex&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;Theme&lowbar;Unit&lowbar;Test" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;codex&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;Theme&lowbar;Unit&lowbar;Test<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> Last but not least&comma; I want to highlight something here &lpar;which I tried to also call out on the ticket&rpar;&colon; <strong>Regardless of whether WP 6&period;2 is faster than 6&period;1&comma; <&sol;strong><code><strong>init<&sol;strong><&sol;code><strong> is slower<&sol;strong> than before for classic themes&period; That has surfaced in <em>all<&sol;em> performance benchmarks I have done up to date&period; So while we should validate the overall test results&comma; we should look into what is going on in <code>init<&sol;code> and why it has become worse in 6&period;2<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> See <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;docs&period;google&period;com&sol;spreadsheets&sol;d&sol;1LroIJoYz-O9CpfJzaiKYYMWJ7GbE5RZoW1rf1R4FqyA&sol;edit&num;gid&equals;0" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;docs&period;google&period;com&sol;spreadsheets&sol;d&sol;1LroIJoYz-O9CpfJzaiKYYMWJ7GbE5RZoW1rf1R4FqyA&sol;edit&num;gid&equals;0<&sol;a> for example&period; In my new data <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;docs&period;google&period;com&sol;spreadsheets&sol;d&sol;1LroIJoYz-O9CpfJzaiKYYMWJ7GbE5RZoW1rf1R4FqyA&sol;edit&num;gid&equals;1935935734" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;docs&period;google&period;com&sol;spreadsheets&sol;d&sol;1LroIJoYz-O9CpfJzaiKYYMWJ7GbE5RZoW1rf1R4FqyA&sol;edit&num;gid&equals;1935935734<&sol;a> this is just more pronounced &lpar;which again could be due to a problem on my setup that wasn’t there before&rpar;&period; If you want to get those more detailed Server-Timing metrics in your local environment&comma; you can use <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;gist&period;github&period;com&sol;felixarntz&sol;63c05392dbf7d51cc7f8f4a424b1ff39" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;gist&period;github&period;com&sol;felixarntz&sol;63c05392dbf7d51cc7f8f4a424b1ff39<&sol;a> for example<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> Back to my initial comment&period; I am curious if this is a side effect of some things being refactored during this release which has caused more work to be done on the init callback that was previously happening elsewhere&period; It could be that it’s fine that we’re doing more work on init than we were before if the overall execution time is improved&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> Potentially that’s the case&comma; in which case the &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;regression” would be fine&period; But we need to validate that<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;joemcgill&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>joemcgill<&sol;a> I think it would be helpful to review what is hooked to init in 6&period;2 vs 6&period;1 and compare differences&period;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> I did that in <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;docs&period;google&period;com&sol;spreadsheets&sol;d&sol;1OCfHtty6&lowbar;&lowbar;DZPkPeOrMTBJiPPH46Lwd1AdofvUA4bnE&sol;edit&num;gid&equals;879358988" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;docs&period;google&period;com&sol;spreadsheets&sol;d&sol;1OCfHtty6&lowbar;&lowbar;DZPkPeOrMTBJiPPH46Lwd1AdofvUA4bnE&sol;edit&num;gid&equals;879358988<&sol;a><&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;spacedmonkey&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>spacedmonkey<&sol;a> <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" data-hasqtip&equals;"519" aria-describedby&equals;"qtip-519" href&equals;"http&colon;&sol;&sol;localhost&colon;8142&sol;run&sol;symbol&quest;id&equals;6410a7626171407f8340bcbc&&num;038&semi;symbol&equals;register&lowbar;block&lowbar;type&lowbar;from&lowbar;metadata" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">register&lowbar;block&lowbar;type&lowbar;from&lowbar;metadata<&sol;a> -> <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"http&colon;&sol;&sol;localhost&colon;8142&sol;run&sol;symbol&quest;id&equals;6410a7626171407f8340bcbc&&num;038&semi;symbol&equals;register&lowbar;block&lowbar;script&lowbar;handle" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">register&lowbar;block&lowbar;script&lowbar;handle<&sol;a> -> realpath&period; <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"http&colon;&sol;&sol;localhost&colon;8142&sol;run&sol;symbol&quest;id&equals;6410a7626171407f8340bcbc&&num;038&semi;symbol&equals;register&lowbar;block&lowbar;type&lowbar;from&lowbar;metadata" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">register&lowbar;block&lowbar;type&lowbar;from&lowbar;metadata<&sol;a> Are hooked into init<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> So we need to check how those functions’ code changed<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;johnbillion&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>johnbillion<&sol;a> Briefly from me for a core issue related to performance&colon; I’ve been working to remove use of the now-deprecated <code>SQL&lowbar;CALC&lowbar;FOUND&lowbar;ROWS<&sol;code> in core&comma; starting with its use in <code>WP&lowbar;Query<&sol;code>&period; PR here&colon; <a rel&equals;"noreferrer noopener" href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;pull&sol;3863" target&equals;"&lowbar;blank">https&colon;&sol;&sol;github&period;com&sol;WordPress&sol;wordpress-develop&sol;pull&sol;3863<&sol;a> which continues work from a couple older PRs&period; There are a few outstanding items to address&comma; I might ask for some help from interested parties on the performance team if I can’t make much progress myself over the next few weeks&period; Apart from that&comma; the more eyes the merrier on this change&excl;<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> Last but not least&colon; Next Monday is the release of the Performance Lab plugin 2&period;1&period;0&comma; so we need to get a few PRs ready<&sol;li>&NewLine;<li><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;profiles&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;flixos90&sol;" class&equals;"mention"><span class&equals;"mentions-prefix">&commat;<&sol;span>flixos90<&sol;a> I have been working on a fix for the <code>object-cache&period;php<&sol;code> compatibility issues which I’m about to open a PR for&period; Would be great to get some reviews today&sol;tomorrow so we can include it in 2&period;1&period;0<&sol;li>&NewLine;<&sol;ul>&NewLine;<p><strong>Our next chat will be held on <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;timeanddate&period;com&sol;worldclock&sol;fixedtime&period;html&quest;iso&equals;20230321T1600"><abbr class&equals;"date" title&equals;"2023-03-21T16&colon;00&colon;00&plus;00&colon;00">Tuesday&comma; March 21&comma; 2023 at 16&colon;00 UTC<&sol;abbr><&sol;a> in the <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;wordpress&period;slack&period;com&sol;messages&sol;core-performance&sol;">&num;core-performance channel<&sol;a> in <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;chat&sol;">Slack<&sol;a>&period;<&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;<p class&equals;"o2-appended-tags"><a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;core&sol;tag&sol;core-media&sol;" class&equals;"tag"><span class&equals;"tag-prefix">&num;<&sol;span>core-media<&sol;a>&comma; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;core&sol;tag&sol;core-performance&sol;" class&equals;"tag"><span class&equals;"tag-prefix">&num;<&sol;span>core-performance<&sol;a>&comma; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;core&sol;tag&sol;performance&sol;" class&equals;"tag"><span class&equals;"tag-prefix">&num;<&sol;span>performance<&sol;a>&comma; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;core&sol;tag&sol;performance-chat&sol;" class&equals;"tag"><span class&equals;"tag-prefix">&num;<&sol;span>performance-chat<&sol;a>&comma; <a href&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;make&period;wordpress&period;org&sol;core&sol;tag&sol;summary&sol;" class&equals;"tag"><span class&equals;"tag-prefix">&num;<&sol;span>summary<&sol;a><&sol;p>&NewLine;<&sol;div>&NewLine;

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